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Ludanto

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Adventuring Gear
« on: May 20, 2011, 09:10:34 PM »
My players don't use it.

I mean, if they need a rope, they'll pull out a rope and if they need a torch,  they'll pull out a torch, but they never feel the need for that +1 (or maybe they forget), so nothing ever gets used up.

I guess that's fine, but kind of boring.

Is Adventuring Gear meant to be "descriptive and prescriptive"?

Like, if my player pulls out a rope to climb a wall, do I say, "Good idea.  Take +1 and mark off an Adventuring Gear", or does he have to "activate" the +1 for it to matter?

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Re: Adventuring Gear
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2011, 10:34:23 PM »
The former. If they define the adventuring gear as a thing (rope, whatever) that's a "use."

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Re: Adventuring Gear
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2011, 06:52:42 AM »
Yes. If something from the adventuring gear is being used for a move, that's the +1 right there.

Example: "I don't think we can just waltz past the guards, so I'm going to climb over the wall. I pull out my rope and grappling hook from my gear and scale the wall." "Sure, but it's sheer and there are regular patrols so you won't have much time, I think you're Defying Danger. Take +1 for the rope."

If climbing the wall wasn't a move to begin with, it doesn't use up a use.

Example: "There's a crumbling ancient wall around the tower. It takes you a bit to scramble over it, even with your rope, but soon you're in what was once the courtyard."

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Re: Adventuring Gear
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2011, 09:37:34 PM »
Ok, so what's the relationship of Adventuring Gear to... adventuring gear?

So far I've got: if they make a Move using some sort of "gear", they get +1 and lose a use of Adventuring Gear.  If it happens, it happens.  OK.

So what happens when you run out of uses?  Do you no longer have "stuff"?

I imagine a Thief might burn through AG pretty quickly as he picks locks and such, unless he chooses to jimmy most doors with his dagger or something.  I don't like the idea of picks being "disposable", but I can imagine AG acting as sort of a countdown until the pick wears out/gets dull/has an "accident".

And how do you handle things like a grappling hook, or rope?  It seems ridiculous to say that the rope or grappling hook is ruined after each use, but then you run the risk of:

Adventuring Gear = 2
Grapple over a wall! (And pull the grapple up after you.)
Adventuring Gear = 1
Scan a dark room with a torch! (Which goes out afterward, sure.)
Adventuring Gear = 0
Another wall! (Now what?)

To anticipate answers:

Prescriptive/Proscriptive: If they pull up the rope, they get the Gear back. Done.  Consolation: GM makes a move (time taken resource, rope looks frayed doom, etc.)

"When...gear comes to your aid...": The gear doesn't come to your aid in the first place.  It just isn't helpful for some fictional reason.  Grapple won't catch, torch flickers too much, whatever.

I may have answered my own question, but maybe not.  Might help somebody else, I guess.

Thanks.

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Re: Adventuring Gear
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2011, 09:44:55 PM »
You're right, that's not the most satisfying fictional linkage. When we play, using an item usually means it's used up in some way. If that isn't the case, they can use the item, sure, but it's not worth +1 anymore.

The first time you pull out a rope it's just the right thing at the right time, take +1. The second time, it's just a rope. You can use it as a rope, but it's not worth +1.

I'll think more on how we might address that.

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Re: Adventuring Gear
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2011, 09:56:38 PM »
I just like to cause trouble. :P

Now, hurrys up with that Kickstarter soes I can throws money at you! :)

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Re: Adventuring Gear
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2011, 12:58:40 AM »
I was just crossing off a use of Adventuring Gear, and writing "rope" on my sheet.

Now my inventory is:
Adventuring Gear: 2 uses
Rope (as detailed -- mine didn't have a hook, but yours might)

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Re: Adventuring Gear
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2011, 01:03:34 AM »
John, is that rope still worth +1 after the first use?

I'm toying with Adventurer's Kit just being 3 uses, where each use produces a useful mundane item. Do with it what you will.

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Re: Adventuring Gear
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2011, 02:26:04 AM »
No, it's not worth +1 again (unless I spend another use).

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Re: Adventuring Gear
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2011, 07:49:41 AM »
Yeah, that's the way I've been using it too. I've been pondering if the +1 is really needed. The important part of the Kit is that you've carried useful stuff into the dungeon, but only so much of it. The +1 may make it too tempting to use, and it leads to the slight fictional disconnect of "this ropes was worth +1 the first time I used it, but not anymore." If it's just a way to produce a generic mundane item it's still very useful "a rope with grappling hook? Oh yeah, there's one in my kit."

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Re: Adventuring Gear
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2011, 08:32:39 AM »
I think dropping the +1 would be fine.

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Re: Adventuring Gear
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2011, 01:34:47 PM »
the one question i would have is after you pull a rope out of your adventuring gear does it suddenly gain a weight, or do we still count it as part of the adventuring gear for that? i would hope that it would not suddenly have weight as that would really bog down parties.

also having to permanently define what items you have after using the adventuring gear sounds like it could add up to a lot of book keeping... i truthfully like the 'one use' way that we were using adventuring gear. if something came up we could say 'oh yea... i had that rope from earlier, im going to use it to tie up this goblin.' but other than that adventuring gear was more of an in the moment type thing.

truthfully, the thing we most often use adventuring gear for in our game is torches... lots and lots of torches...

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Re: Adventuring Gear
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2011, 03:20:04 PM »
But wouldn't it also be fine to add a move to game like: When you're using just the right tool for a job, take +1.

Then, if that rope is just the right tool for some future action, you get the +1 again.  I mean, it's just a +1 -- it's not like we're using up some zero-sum resource.

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Re: Adventuring Gear
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2011, 03:40:33 PM »
The useful bit would be that it's not extra weight. The uses are defining what's in it. The weight stays he same, but you've got that item you really need.

The only problem with giving out +1s like candy is that they stack with other +1s until you're not getting anything but a strong hit, and therefore not really leading a life of adventure.

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Re: Adventuring Gear
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2011, 04:17:28 PM »
So, do the items then stay defined until the end of the session?  Or until you shop for more stuff?  Or forever?  Or something?